Review Of CantoneseClass101.com – Website For Learning Cantonese Online

This is a review of CantoneseClass101.com, a online resource for learning Cantonese, which I’ve been using myself for the last 6 months.

I’m going to take you inside the paid members area, with a video showing you the main features of the website, and then give you my honest assessment of the quality of the product, so you can decide whether it’s right for you.

If you’re thinking abut how to learn Cantonese, you’ve probably noticed that there is an acute lack of resources. Unlike Mandarin Chinese, where you’re spoilt for choice with a dazzling array of books, podcasts, audio courses and websites, the “C” shelf in the language learning section of your local bookshop is sadly lacking in choice for aspiring Cantonese learners.

As a result, resources like CantoneseClass101.com get a lot of attention, as something of a big fish in a small pond. When I first started looking around for websites to help me learn, this was one that seemed to pop up wherever I looked. Their marketing dollars are clearly being well spent!

But is it any good? Is it a scam?

I paid up for a premium membership and got stuck in. This review is all about what I found.
If you don’t have the time to read the whole review, then I’ll summarise it here by saying that it’s a good, engaging resource, especially for beginners and lower levels.

Their bite-sized approach to study materials makes it appropriate for busy people and those who struggle with motivation, but it is certainly not any kind of shortcut and you will still have to do the hard work yourself.

To help you with that hard work, I’ve put together my own guide for using the site as effectively as possible, and getting you speaking Cantonese quicker. More details at the end of the review.

Note: If you want to learn to understand fast, spoken Cantonese, you'll love Cantonese Conversations, a passion project I've created for the Cantonese learning community!

Overview Of CantoneseClass101.com

CantoneseClass101.com is a website that houses a series of Cantonese lessons. It works on a freemium model, meaning that some material is available for free (sneakily offered to you as a “free lifetime subscription”), but most of the good stuff requires you to buy a subscription.

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add to flashcards extra resources flashcards in action lesson dashboard lesson list upper beginner line by line audio quiz Some people are reluctant to pay for online products, but it’s certainly the way things are going. A lot of mainstream software (such as Word and Photoshop) is moving towards a subscription model, so it’s here to stay. There are different pricing options and, as usual, the longer your subscription the cheaper it gets. In my opinion, the pricing is reasonable. If you take the cost of a 1-year subscription as your baseline (whatever language learning resource you buy, you’d probably aim to get through it within a year if you’re serious about progressing), which is US$180, then the cost is a lot more than a book, but substantially less than other commercial products – Rosetta Stone ($500 for all levels) or Pimsleur ($345 for 30 lessons), for example. Here’s a video showing you the inside of the website: http://youtu.be/M4MosbYAiFc

The Lessons

Learning is arranged in courses of 25 lessons each, arranged by proficiency level, ranging from complete beginner to advanced. Lessons are delivered in audio format, and are generally 12-15 minutes long. You can listen to them on the website itself or else downloaded it all as podcasts, which you can then put on your smartphone and take around with you.

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There are three audio tracks available for each lesson:

  1. The lesson itself (12-15 minutes)
  2. Review track – vocabulary quizzes based on the lesson (2-3 minutes)
  3. Lesson dialogue only (30-60 seconds)

Lessons are in the format of a conversation between two people (usually one English and one Cantonese speaker) and they always follow the same pattern:

  1. Short dialogue in Cantonese (first at natural speed, then slow, then with English translation), which are humorous and based on situations and/or topics you might encounter in Hong Kong
  2. Discussion of the story and any cultural insights
  3. Vocab section – examples of vocab from the lesson
  4. Grammar section – discussion of a grammar point from the lesson

The Good Stuff

On the website, there are a few powerful features accompanying each lesson, and, for me, are the most valuable part of the product. The dialogue is given in an interactive format: each line is clickable for audio, and you can switch the text between Chinese characters, jyutping and English translation. This works really well, and is ideal for breaking down the dialogues into smaller parts, listening and reading at the same time, and is great for improving your vocabulary and listening comprehension.

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Another page gives you a list of vocabulary from the dialogue, which, again, is clickable so you can hear the audio (natural speed and slowed-down) and see how it’s written. What you can then do, is choose the vocabulary you want to learn and export it to a flashcard programme that’s built into the website. These flashcard decks are fully customizable and use a spaced repetition system to help you learn them.

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Extras

All of the lesson material is available in downloadable worksheets. There’s nothing special about those, it’s just a physical version of the information given on the website. Nevertheless, people like to consume information in different ways, and if you like to have everything printed off and there in front of you, it’s good to have.

In addition to the lessons, there is a wide range of extra resources for beginners, which, for me, adds real value for people learning Cantonese for the first time. When you’re just starting out it’s a delicate stage where you really need a lot of solid information (basics of grammar, phonology, writing systems) and the last thing you want to do is waste time and stifle your progress by trying to piece it all together from various websites. Here, it’s all in one place:

  • Overviews of the language
  • Guides to Cantonese tones and pronunciation
  • Introduction to Chinese characters
  • Survival phrases

A couple of other nice features include a quiz function, which gives you vocabulary and writing tests based on language from the lesson, and an online dictionary Cantonese-English and English-Cantonese dictionary (accessible from the search bar, which is handy) which is well-linked to the language from the lessons and lets you export words directly to flashcards.

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What I Like About It

  1. It’s unquestionably a substantial resource, with a lot of material for every level. Hopefully they’ll keep adding to it and making additional lessons for people who might take longer to progress.
  2. The website is user-friendly for the most part and nice to use.
  3. The people who designed the course know what they’re doing. It’s not easy to select and produce graded material for an entire language course, but I’ve been impressed with the content. They recycle grammar points and language over the course of each level, which is good to reinforce what you’ve learnt.
  4. The podcast lessons are digestible and entertaining, so it’s great for anyone who lacks motivation, or is looking for an easy way to get started. It’s important to note here that listening to the podcasts is only going to be one small part of the process of learning Cantonese – you need to compliment it with more involved study, but even if you did nothing more than listen to the podcasts in the car for a month, you will undoubtedly learn a lot.
  5. The fact that the lessons follow the same format help to give structure, compartmentalize learning, and really make it clear what’s being discussed, which might be good for some people (not for others – this depends on how you like to learn).
  6. The difficulty of the different levels is pitched just right. I started at upper-beginner level and I found the progression to upper-beginner and then intermediate to be well managed.
  7. Vocabulary is well selected and based on casual Cantonese (the kind of Cantonese that’s actually spoken in Hong Kong), unlike a number of learn-Cantonese books I’ve seen which contain more written language that you wouldn’t use when speaking. This on it’s own is a big plus. (There’s nothing worse than learning vocabulary that people don’t actually use!)
  8. The grammar that they teach in the lessons are relevant and well presented – easy to understand and usable right from the start.
  9. The flashcards feature works well and is very useful (if you don’t mind all that time in front of the screen).
  10. The line-by-line clickable dialogues with audio, transcription and translation are AWESOME. For me, they’re the main draw of the product and worth the price alone.
  11. Each lesson comes with a comments section where you can ask any language questions you have. They have native-speaker staff who are good about responding promptly to questions, which is very handy, and one definite benefit of the online format. You can also learn a lot from other members’ questions, which are visible for all to see.
  12. There is a smart balance of Cantonese and English on the podcasts for most people. That is to say, they use enough Cantonese to give you some good exposure, but not so much that you get frustrated because you don’t understand what’s going on.
  13. There’s a great selection of information for beginners, as mentioned above.
  14. It’s handy to have the printable worksheets, which summarize information from lesson.
  15. Having the lessons available in podcast format is great, because you can make the most out of your time – you don’t have to be sat at the computer. I found myself listening to the lessons mostly in the car and in the gym.

What’s Not So Good

  1. The dialogues in lessons are short, which is good for beginners, but frustrating when you get more advanced. In fact, the reason I have stopped using the site is because I feel a need for more substantial, higher level texts that I can sink my teeth into. Even at higher levels, the dialogues are all under a minute. This is understandable given that it’s all based around podcasts and the need to keep it digestible, but, just like with any resource, it can’t be all things to all people.
  2. Even after signing up, there is a fair amount of advertising, up-selling, and cross-promoting related products (by way of emails, in-site banners etc), which is irritating when you’ve already paid for the product. They could learn a thing or two about customer experience.
  3. The resources are, at times, not very ‘cared for’, which is a bit disappointing for something you pay good money for; podcasts are sometimes poorly edited, the voice recorder function doesn’t seem to work most of the time, and the information across the different study tools is not always consistent. For example, some words in the database don’t come with audio recordings, some translations are inaccurate or misleading (although staff do correct them once pointed out by members), and there are occasional programming bugs like the fact that opening the comments box in lessons resets the lesson page you were looking at, meaning you have to click all the way back through. None of this is a deal-breaker, but it does leave you feeling a bit neglected!
  4. The vocabulary lists and flashcards work with single words out of context, which is a big missed opportunity. If you’re a regular reader you’ll know that I go on about this quite a lot! Of course, you can see the words in context within the dialogues, but I’m a big believer in keeping words in full sentences at all times, especially when revising.
  5. From what I’ve seen, updates to the site are limited. They’re good about fixing problems and mistakes, but I haven’t seen any new lessons since I’ve been on the site, for example (although I believe there were some last year).
  6. One issue I have with the lessons are, ironically, the fact that they are just that – lessons. What do I mean by that? In one 15-minute lesson, there are only 30 seconds-ish of sustained listening to Cantonese (the dialogue). The rest is teaching – explanations of vocabulary and grammar. This, I found frustrating after a while (specifically once I’d been through the lower levels and had reached the intermediate course). It wasn’t that the “teaching” wasn’t useful or good quality, it’s just that I wanted to change things up a bit and spend more time with the language. I would like there to be more material for extensive listening, so I could just listen and enjoy without having to always be taught something new. At intermediate level, one of the presenters speaks exclusively in Cantonese during the lessons, which is great, but it’s not quite enough, as English is still the medium of instruction. However, this shouldn’t necessarily put you off – if you want well-targeted, digestible language lessons, and/or can get your main exposure to Cantonese elsewhere (such as TV dramas or audio books), then this isn’t a problem.
  7. Vocabulary lists from the lessons don’t always contain all the useful words from the dialogues. Instead, there words that are related to the topic. While there’s no harm in seeing related vocabulary, the fact that you haven’t heard it in the dialogue makes it a bit random, and it would be much more useful to provide the vocab that you’d already heard. It’s often the case in the lessons that you want to know what a word means, but it’s not given in the vocab list. You can look it up in the dictionary that comes with the website (and from there you can export those words to flashcard decks), but it’s unnecessary and interrupts the user experience.

How To Learn Cantonese

Cantoneseclass101.com is a substantial, well-made resource for learning Cantonese. It’s been designed to be easy to consume (hence the podcast format) and so despite my issues with the teaching format, it’s going to work well for people who don’t know where to start, aren’t easily motivated, or just want to be walked through a learning programme. For this reason, more independent learners may find it limiting.

The tools on the website, especially the line-by-line dialogues and the built-in flashcard tool are excellent, and really make it possible to get stuck in and analyse the language. The course designers and materials writers are good and have designed quality content – it’s just a bit of a shame that the marketers behind the scenes have been given slightly too much freedom, as you’re left with the impression you’re getting sold to a fair bit.

However, this shouldn’t take away from the value of the Cantonese content itself. Remember that this is just one language learning resource. Like any other book, audio course, or even language school, don’t be under the impression that it’s any kind of silver bullet, or that simply buying this will be any guarantee of you learning Cantonese.

Many people will be tempted to just rely on the podcasts, because they’re there, easily digestible and entertaining, but you still need to spend just as much time (and probably more) with your head down, stuck into the lesson transcripts and vocabulary sections to really improve at a good rate.

You will also eventually need to find ways to start speaking before becoming fluent in Cantonese. It’s not just about the studying – you’ve got to get out into the real world too, something that is often forgotten. So, in conclusion, this is a good product with a lot that can help you.

What’s important is that you keep an independent, self-directed approach to your learning, and use this product as a resource to learn what you need, rather than letting it direct your learning for you.

To help you do this, I’ve written a guide that shows you how to make the most out of the features on the website. Through a lot of trial and error over 6 months of study, I figured out how best to use the dialogues and resources to improve my Cantonese much faster than simply following their lessons through one by one.

The guide is free – click here for more.

I hope this review has been informative and that you have a better idea of whether CantoneseClass101.com is right for you or not.

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  • Cat Ramos キャット ラモス

    Thank you for this post, Olly! I gave in and got a basic subscription for Hungarian Pod 101. I like that the dialogues are shorter than Assimil’s because at this early stage, I find it hard to “digest” a lot of Hungarian words because they are very different from the other languages I know. Some of the dialogues can be dry but all in all, I am happy so far. Maybe I should upgrade to get access to line-by-line audio.

    PS: I also agree with the very annoying advertisements I get via email.

    • The line-by-line audio is the best part of the product for me… definitely worth considering. You just get a lot more interactivity with the dialogues that way.

  • Clayton Davis

    I’ve used the site, too and it really helped. I agree with all your criticisms, although I would add the use of inconsistent teaching of colloquial forms. Much of their content in the videos presents written forms and never teaches the colloquial or even bothers to distinguish between the two. It seems like that family of language websites has cut back on costs recently and it has had a severe effect on the quality of the product.

    • Yes – that’s a great point. I often found that I’d learn a word of some sort, only to find that when I used it in conversation, I’d be told “we don’t say that…it’s only for writing!”

      However, this is a problem with all Cantonese products, not just this one… maybe I should make my own one day…! 🙂

      • Bejz

        Cantonese Class 101 & Collins Cantonese phrasebook do it wrong — Mandarin structures, phrases, words.

        Teach Yourself, Berlitz, Lonely Planet, Yale, CantoDict, Yip and Matthews, and others, do it right (although with frustrating variations in romanizations).

        Stilted and rarefied vocabulary notwithstanding.

        • Bejz, I’m afraid you’re wrong about this. Like I said in my comment above, there are instances of what you’re describing, but the majority of the content inside the site itself is colloquial Cantonese, which is exactly what you’re looking for.

  • Bejz

    Cantonese Class 101 frustrates me.

    I only signed up for the free word-of-the-day. Each day I get a new word with example phrases. BUT THEY’RE MANDARIN CHARACTERS!!!

    So “s/he” becomes “taa” instead of “keoi”; “is” becomes “si” not “hai”; possessives are rendered with “dik” not “ge”; plurals use “mun” not “dei”; etc, etc.

    It’s like the Collins Cantonese phrasebook all over again. 🙁

    I don’t want to spend money on a Cantonese site that does that.

    It might help you read the newspaper aloud but it kind of screws up your conversation.

    I’ll look elsewhere, thanks.

    • This is the major criticism of Cantonese Class 101, and you’re right about it. However, don’t judge the product itself by the word of the day nonsense. You should look inside the actual content of the site. The content they have is genuinely useful. Although there are cases of using written Chinese, where spoken dialect would be better, on the whole it’s really useful – meaty, entertaining dialogues with a lot of realistic language, and a great resource to use as your base. The issue with Cantonese is that there are very few resources out there, and rather than use nothing at all, you can use CC101 to learn a lot and make good progress.

      It worked well for me.

  • Eric M

    Do you recommend Cantonese Class 101 in the end, or are there competing products or alternative methods? My fiance is a native Cantonese/Taishanese speaker and I am looking for realistic resources for communicating with her parents (they live with us).

    • Hey Eric, yes I do. It’s not really about the method, because you have to use the resource in the way that’s best for you. The real value is the content – lots of good dialogues, with line-by-line clickable audio… it’s just what you need and I haven’t found another resource for Cantonese that’s anywhere near as good.

  • Luke

    Hi Olly, do you know whether Cantonese 101 allows you to export the flashcard decks prepared on their site to an external app such as Anki? I’d be worried about losing all my decks if I ever decided I wanted to stop paying the subscription….

    • Hi Luke. Not sure about that, I’m afraid, but I imagine they don’t let you export.

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